Curse

lyra_song · Mar 17, 2007, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Good marketing can require very little effort to stir up hype and talk.

Its called viral marketing.

They do a leak.

Voila.

Everyone's talking GW.

Good or Bad, we are talking about it.

Guess what, thats called marketing.

Vandal2k6 · Mar 17, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

I'm kinda in agreement with the OP.

The way news has been dribbled out over the last few months about the next GW episode and GW2 (?) has been confusing at best. Ask anyone now what they know about these two things and most will tell you they've not got a clue. Sure, we will know soon enough, but it's better for no news to be released rather than conflicting, confusing statements. The Inquirer article may well be from leaked info, but the fact they have some right (as Gaile has confirmed) says it's come from someone in the know. Why mix what is fact to the Inquirer with falsities? (of course The Inquirer may just've filled the article out with bollox but again, where did they get the real facts from?)

I've also noticed that Gaile doesn't seem to know half of the things happening. This is not her fault, someone in the know should inform her in advance (seeing as it's her job to pass on any things like this). Too many times I've seen her posting about having to contact the dev team to find out about something, something someone here has already told her!

As for Mr Garriott. His statement was aimed at Guild Wars players, us. Yet none of us know what he's talking about. Why give a reply to a statement that obviously upset him to people that have no clue what he's talking about. THAT is what I would say is wierd. (if someone does know what/where the statement he's refering to is then please, let me know).

So, even though I don't think it's doom and gloom, I also think things could be done better.

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Good marketing can require very little effort to stir up hype and talk.

Its called viral marketing.

They do a leak.

Voila.

Everyone's talking GW.

Good or Bad, we are talking about it.

Guess what, thats called marketing.

True, it is a known marketing strategy. Again though, I don't understand how some true fact and total rubbish can be "leaked" at the same time. Why do this? If you're going to stir up interest in an item, release something exciting and real.

Loviatar · Mar 17, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

From the main page here at GWG.

Yes, I've heard people question the way GW is developed but for the most part, people agree that GW is a resounding success (as he states). So why does Mr Garriott feel the need to make a statement like this? Who or what has said something that he feels needs a response. I read most GW news all the time and I've got to say I've heard nothing. Can anyone shed any light?

To me he sounds angry and yet worried at the same time.

so you have gotten all news worldwide and if you havent seen it it didnt happen.

why should they republish the false guote for you?

he is angry that someone put completely false information out and claimed he said it.

he is worried because a bunch of complete idiots will believe he said it.

Exoudeous · Mar 17, 2007, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

I'm kinda in agreement with the OP.

The way news has been dribbled out over the last few months about the next GW episode and GW2 (?) has been confusing at best.

the point is, you still arnt getting that its not news, non of that stuff was supposed to be put out. The Inquirer isnt an offical source of news, its talking about rumors.

Leaks and rumors happen with just about any game company, so to say anet has a problem you are kinda ignoring the fact that most companies have it happen, people dont know how to shutup and keep the secrets they are supposed to, so to even blame a whole company cause some ass descided to spill the beans is rather stupid. in the end it just something else people find to complain about cause they can never be happy.

Jaskalas · Mar 17, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker

Actually Ultima Online is not the first MMO, nor anywhere near it.

The first graphical MMO was Airwarrior.

The first graphical MMORPG was Neverwinter Nights.

This does not take away from who Lord British is -- he is an icon and living legend in the RPG genre.

UO: Sep 30, 1997

NWN Jun 16, 2002

Don't know about Airwarrior, but since NWN is clearly four years after UO I'd like to know why you called it "first graphical MMORPG ".

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 17, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by HalPlantagenet

First we had the off-handed release of news in early February that there wouldn't be a new release of significant GW content until the second half of 2007 via the NCSoft earnings announcement.

I wouldn't call it off-handed. release of new products and existing product improvements go hand-in-hand with a company's financial status. (It's all part of a good business plan)

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Second we had the questionable "Inquirer" article.

Don't take everything you read on the internet as fact. It's already been discredited by A-Net as containing a lot of wrong information, which A-net is not responsible for, nor are they responsible for what people say on these boards.

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Third we had the Asura mini-pet image release, which was controversial at best.

The only "controversy" is whether people think it's cute or not. You're grasping at straws, here.

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Fourth, we today's odd disavowal from Mr. Garriott.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that he made that statement more for the sake of the company's shareholders than anything else. But I'm also sure that consideration was made for all who have an interest in the company's success.

Cymboric Treewalker · Mar 17, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Jaskalas

UO: Sep 30, 1997

NWN Jun 16, 2002

Don't know about Airwarrior, but since NWN is clearly four years after UO I'd like to know why you called it "first graphical MMORPG ".

Because you are referencing the second Neverwinter nights -- the rmake by bioware not the first one.

Neverwinter Nights (1991)

That predates UO by a whopping six years.

Airwarrior (1987)

And there were many non-graphical MMOs before those two.

My favorite MMORPGS from the "early" era were the The Shadow of Yserbius series by Sierra Online

The best search for a really good MMO history is searching MMO on wikipedia.

MMSDome · Mar 17, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

lol all you people bash the devs and Guild Wars all the time so when one of them comes out with a statement you all get pissy. Thats not really fair to them.

Vandal2k6 · Mar 17, 2007, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

lol all you people bash the devs and Guild Wars all the time so when one of them comes out with a statement you all get pissy. Thats not really fair to them.

Who's pissy?

The original question was did anyone know what he was refering too? We've got news on GwG from someone at NCSoft regarding GWs but it's only half the story. I just wondered if anyone knew what he was talking about. People seriously need to read these threads before posting ...

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

so you have gotten all news worldwide and if you havent seen it it didnt happen.

why should they republish the false guote for you?

he is angry that someone put completely false information out and claimed he said it.

he is worried because a bunch of complete idiots will believe he said it.

LOL Jesus. OK here goes ... again.

Mr Garriott has sent a message to US. I don't know what he's talking about. Whether it happened or not, is not the point. He said it did, so it must've. However, if he's saying to me "don't believe what was said" then I'm bound to say "why, what WAS said"? That's all I asked, nothing more. If someone knew what he was talking about can they let me know, I'm interested. That's all, nothing more. It's not rocket science is it.

Aerian_Skybane · Mar 17, 2007, 07:07 PM // 19:07

I can almost guarantee that he is responding to what someone might have said, attributing a quote to him that was completely made up, and he is reacting to it because if I were attributed to an idea that was not in my vein of thought, I would make a statement as well. Most likely this was said in some forum or public opinion area.

Doomsayers eat your heart out then realize you can't live without it.

Vandal2k6 · Mar 17, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Aerian_Skybane

I can almost guarantee that he is responding to what someone might have said, attributing a quote to him that was completely made up, and he is reacting to it because if I were attributed to an idea that was not in my vein of thought, I would make a statement as well. Most likely this was said in some forum or public opinion area.

Doomsayers eat your heart out then realize you can't live without it.

That makes sense. If it was in a news article I feel certain someone would know about it, seems nobody does though. The fact it could've been said on a forum somewhere does tie-in with the fact it's a little known comment.

Alias_X · Mar 17, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Its a great success if you want to make games which the company that created it can profit from for 2 or 3 years, and then after that make a new game.

VitisVinifera · Mar 17, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

yes, Anet is pretty bad at the PR game, and Gaile, after a really good run, has had a miserable time since Factions.

However, to put this in perspective, if people remember the lead-up to Half Life 2 and Valve's multiple huge embarassments (missed release dates, the code and game getting leaked), this pales in comparison.

Loviatar · Mar 17, 2007, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by lacasner

The reality of the story is that people expect more from Anet and from Guild Wars, and that also people don't just make any random comments for any random reason at any random time. To assume that there is no reason for his comments would just be blissful ignorance in my opinion, and even if he is hiding something that's fine. Everyone has problems and the world isn't coming to an end, and there is no reason for your tirade.

read what i said.

i stated that he HAD a reason to respond specifically that he saw something attributed to him that was flatly wrong.

as for the rest just look at all the posts/threads/sites claiming the inquirer is proven fact

and the people yelling about his correction would say it is proven fact if he did not deny saying it

Kakumei · Mar 18, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by Cymboric Treewalker

Actually Ultima Online is not the first MMO, nor anywhere near it.

The first graphical MMO was Airwarrior.

The first graphical MMORPG was Neverwinter Nights.

This does not take away from who Lord British is -- he is an icon and living legend in the RPG genre.

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I would appreciate your feedback and ratings for my newest article in the FiringSquad.com contest - thanks.

There's a reason I said "widely considered". I'm fully aware UO isn't actually the first, but it's certainly the game that really got the genre going, thrusting it into the spotlight.

Redfeather1975 · Mar 18, 2007, 04:26 AM // 04:26

I've seen countless topics on forums and articles written saying the business model for GW is failing and quoting some article quoting yearly sales for NCsoft as proof.
The statement made is probably related to that.
Those topics and articles complaining won't end until the game is magically shaped to those players every whim. So I imagine that statements like this will be made every once in a while to keep everyone informed that the game isn't doomed, like the players who aren't getting everything they want say it is.

strcpy · Mar 18, 2007, 05:04 AM // 05:04

As to the first MMO's - I would have to say MUDS. They existed in the late 70's during the early days of DARPA. I can not see how any pre-date that, though I suppose one could argue they were not "massive". They definitely were by the late 80's early 90's and one would need to know the number you need for "massive", though they would still be the very first no matter what.

Again, as someone else said - Lord British is one of the creators of electronic gaming and helped push gaming into mainstream. The Ultima Series has to rank up there with Atari in the early era's of gaming. While it did not not invent many (any?) ideas, he did pretty much make one of the major archetypes of RPG's popular. I didn't realize that he was working for NCSoft, though If I had thought for a moment I would have realized that as I knew which projects he was working on. Pretty much any gamer that is 30 or above knows of him and his games/ideas.

As to the rest of the "controversy" good luck finding someplace that makes you happy. Standard operating procedure is to have one place have the exclusive official announcement of a product with "leaks" happening all over. As to if it is intentional or not, that is up to the reader (my guess is not - someone says an offhand remark and some gaming publication figures they now have the "exclusive" and runs it even though everyone knows it is 90% wrong). I doubt NCSoft and Anet really have the advertising they want from this - however The Enquirer most certainly does even if it turns out to be 99% wrong.

Redfeather1975 · Mar 18, 2007, 06:24 AM // 06:24

I know who Lord British is!
And I've never played an Ultima game!
Although some of my buddies did when we were young.

Off topic, but one of my friends said that what we know as video games today were first approached to the miliary as training aids. Is that true?

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 18, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

So why does Mr Garriott feel the need to make a statement like this? Who or what has said something that he feels needs a response. I read most GW news all the time and I've got to say I've heard nothing. Can anyone shed any light?

To me he sounds angry and yet worried at the same time.

Is it really that difficult to understand? I mean, really?

If something is falsely attributed to you, it is only natural to correct the record. This is especially true when the falsehood or misquote could do damage of some kind. Someone decided to stir things up by spewing a falsely attributed statement to one of founding fathers of online gaming. The internet makes things type of rumors very easy, so a lot of effort is required to counter it. So, why is it so hard to understand why a public statement would be released?

People have been sniping at ANet and Guild Wars for 3 years now, from the moment it was announced that the game was following a completely different business model unparalleled in the game industry.

Edit: Sure, Lord British didn't make the first online game and George Washington didn't bring forth the first republic in the world, so what?